Thoughts are the most powerful tool to remake oneself. Thoughts in mind creates the atmosphere through which we travel in the journey of life. It is just like
emitting a gas in front of you while travelling trhough a tunnel. If you emit nauseating gas, cumbersome your passage will be. Thoughts of Love and peace bring you the same in return. The only decisive factor is tTIME. You will become only what you think of becoming. It may happen soon or later ,depending upon the gravity of the thought. Later period can also inlude those ones when your mind is occupied in a different milieu. Mind may not even remember the present setting... Hence, my Master used to tell “ God you think, God you are, Dust you think, Dust you are” . The 37th verse of Tao te Ching also indicates that “ - Krishnan KarthaDiscussion followed:-
Spk Sudhin "As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he" - Bible ....
"All that we are is the result of what we have thought: it is founded on our thoughts, it is made up of our thoughts. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him, as the wheel follows the foot of the ox that draws the carriage… If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him." - Dhammapada
Sreenath R Sir I'm again asking you a doubt which I've asked you in an open discussion... Sir can we create a wish purposefully? In a lecture I've heard, the speaker says an example, that "one can not make a wish by his own, for instance when we see an advertisement of a car, initially we may not have the wish to own it, but by repeatedly telecasting it, the owner of the car producers will become successful to create a wish in our mind that to own the car... That's the case. If we can mindfully make wishes, why can't most people stop their habits? Wishes can not be made with conscious mind, but it comes from the subconscious mind" Thus can we propose fully manage with these thoughts with the mind we are used with?
Spk Sudhin I think wishes can be created consciously. Then to your question "If we can mindfully make wishes, why can't most people stop their habits? " The answer lies in the post itself. "You will become only what you think of becoming. It may happen soon or later ,depending upon the gravity of the thought. ". That gravity is the key. The whole books related to "New Thought Movement" deals with the art of making wishes and manifesting the way you want... "The law of Attraction". The law of attraction is the name given to the belief that "like attracts like" and that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, one can bring about positive or negative results.
Anna Lucas oh yes...I'll translate: "...jeżeli myślisz, że jesteś śmieciem to jesteś śmieciem, jeżeli myślisz, że jesteś Bogiem to jesteś Bogiem...
Spk Sudhin From 1901 to 1912 the English New Thought writer James Allen wrote a series of books and articles on this topic including the classic work "As a Man Thinketh"
Sreenath R with Spk Sudhin: But in our experience, I think that's not the case. For instance, One wishes to stop having liquor on Jan 1. He may not take it for Jan 1, Jan 2, Jan 3 and for atlast Jan 4, afterwards, Shanker on the same old cocunut tree .He tells an example from bhagavatha, that after the Kurukshetra war Krishna tells to Dharmaputra that Wishes will laugh at one who takes sword against it!
Suchetha ShahAtlast something in English. Please translate the recent conversations with Krishnan Kartha into English.
Spk Sudhin It's lack of will. It's not like just have a flash of thought and leave it. But you need to insert your will to hold that thought which mentioned as gravity..
Hiroko Ueyama For the first time I am learning from this Master Krishnan Kartha , that the real meaning of the 37th Verse - Tao Te Ching which says
Hiroko Ueyama For the first time I am learning from this Master Krishnan Kartha , that the real meaning of the 37th Verse - Tao Te Ching which says
"By not wanting, there is calm, and the world will straighten itself.
When there is silence, one finds the anchor of the universe within oneself."
Thank you Sir, Thank you.
Spk Sudhin The phrase "law of attraction" appeared in the writings of the Theosophical authors William Quan Judge in 1915,and Annie Besant in 1919. Besant compared her version of the 'law of attraction' to 'gravitation', and said that the law represented a form of karma.
Spk Sudhin "The Tao does nothing, but leaves nothing undone.
If powerful men could center themselves in it ....the whole world would be transformed by itself,
in its natural rhythms.
When life is simple, pretenses fall away;
our essential natures shine through.
By not wanting, there is calm, and the world will straighten itself.
When there is silence, one finds the anchor of the universe within oneself." - 37th Verse - Tao Te Ching .
I think this words tells the "Art of Allowing". If you are fully surrendered to tao you are allowing Tao to flow through you. So each of your thoughts will have immense power to manifest...
I think this words tells the "Art of Allowing". If you are fully surrendered to tao you are allowing Tao to flow through you. So each of your thoughts will have immense power to manifest...
Krishnan Kartha The summum bonum of this is that, the destiny has to be faced with equanimity as it is created by oneself... No external factor is responsible for that. This is the real IN DEPENDENCE ; the freedom from externals....
Krishnan Kartha To Sreenath, you have been asking about mindfulness repeatedly. The ideal way to reach mindfulness is this.When one learns awfully, that he is the creator of his destiny through his thought patterns, he maintains discipline of thought. One becomes 100% aware of the thoughts. This results in Mindfulness. ...The more engrossed one is, the more potency the emerging thoughts will possess. This feature of mind is picturised as 'curse' by sages in Indian stories....
Spk Sudhin Sir, In such state do a person try to manifest a wish? or just allow the tao to manifest itself?
Krishnan Kartha Who has a wish. Spk Sudhin ? Wish is related to a person who does not posses something. Man is full of wishes since he cannot "have" many things he want. He wants to become a man of 'HAVING" leaving the state of his original ' the Man of Being" . This ego trip brings about misery in life. The base of this misery is ignorance. Ignorance that one lacks many things. In fact he possesses everything and he is in command. Being unaware of this great treasure owned by him, he begs here and there.. My Master puts it as "the Bigger becoming the beggar!" . So as you have said, if such a person allows the so called TAO to manifest itself, that is his benevolence, his compassion to the Nature.....I hope this answers Sreenath's question also. Do you still want to make wishes ?
Sreenath R Sir but an ordinary man, who deals with his thoughtful mind, there he think to achieve certain things, right? But he can't really wish what he thinks good, for example, the most cruel man knows in his mind that it's not good to be like this, but he can't change even if he wishes to, and to continue his character in the drama?
Baiju NT : Your thoughts about me brought me here. You just now learned how powerful thoughts are..
Krishnan Kartha : The bliss experienced by the couple in the song is the bliss of the mindful being, with the only difference that while couple ceases to enjoy when they part with, while the bliss of the enlightened is everlasting... a point of no return. Each and everyone here is rightful of that,,,,
To Baiju NT , In fact most miserable person and most pacific person turn to this right of bliss. Nature makes the life more and more miserable and at one point he refuses to fail and emerges successful. That may be in the form of worldly saturation but soon that will be replaced by the spiritual quest. The peaceful person has an easy walk over , rather.
To Baiju NT , in fact Truth comes to the thoughts through those who have walked in front. They are called Masters...
Sreenath R :Sir nature wish to bring every one to the ultimate end by passing them through different lives, but (I think) vasanas are the driving for agrahas, are agrahas leads to karma... But if this karma is not done with nissanga, again vasanas accumulates, hence the viscious circle goes on
. Then when will it end?
Baiju NT :ചിന്തിക്കുന്നതൊക്കെ യാഥാർത്ഥ്യമാവും എന്നതിനെ കുറിച്ച് ആലൊചിക്കുന്നതിനിടയിൽ, ജയറാം പണ്ട് അഭിനയിച്ച “സ്വപ്നലോകത്തിലെ ബാലഭാസ്ക്കരൻ” എന്ന സിൽമയുടെ പേര് ഓർത്ത് പോയി.
Krishnan Kartha : To Sreenath. You have talked about Vasana, Agraha, Karma etc. What is the seed ? The seed is the feeling that one lacks something. When the feeling of non possession arises, the mind starts to cling on the desire to possess the vishaya or the object of indulgence. The desire projects thoughts and it ends in accomplishment of the object or vishaya. The vasana or the mental formation, will end only when the saturation point is reached on the particular vishaya the object. It is interesting that there will be abundant supply of the said object when one is saturated in it. The virakthi or detachment on the said object follows. Now there is abundant supply and least demand. This results on negative utility. The law of diminishing marginal utility operates now. The problem for the person will be the excess supply and less desire. This is the cause for misery now.Sidhartha was miserable with the royal luxury. He could not help but escape from all those amenities.The vasana will cease to exist only when the negation becomes powerful. This is death of vasana , vaasana kshaya. So slowly one learns that the virakthi, detachment is also as miserable as aasakthi , the desire. He drops both and proceeds further to the state of equanimity. His desire will be backed by non attachment. His detachment will be backed by accommodation. At this state , the actions start to be without chain reactions. They do not form causes and hence no consequences. The cycle is broken here. This is what Gautama Buddha referred to as the "AVIDYA" (IGNORANCE) as the first step in His theory of Dependent Origination (Pratheethya Samuthpaada )
This understanding or Great Learning, sweeps away the difference between the SOONYA VAADA of the Buddha and the MAYAVAADA of Sankaracharya. The aviyda is illusion that I am exisitng as seperate from the externals. This is the same in Vedantha as Maya. . Ron Leifer and Ringu Tulku are scholars who have come near this understanding. Theravada Buddhism sees AVidya as non awareness of 8 things: 4 noble truths and the pre-natal past, the post-mortem future, the past and the future together, and dependent arising .The Mahayana teachings also mislead in this matter as ignorance of noble truths and all. But the Abhidharma Samucchaya DOES state that " What is ignorance (avidya)?" " It is a lack of being aware to one's fullest capacity ". This is what I explained above in the original post. So both Maya and Soonya are one and the same though fools see them as separate.
Hiroko Ueyama Oh Sir, this is Great vision.You blend contrasting theories!!!!
Sreenath R :Sir vasanas can only be eliminated by pocessing the object and experiencing thereby reaching the point of saturation, and upon saturation comes the virakthi. But what should be the mental attitude to be kept while experiencing the vishaya, that is in the time between the point of procession and the point of saturation?
Spk Sudhin sir, Now I know I already possess everything nothing is separate from me (Intellectually) but still I not realized it. How can I reach from intellectual understanding to that realization ? Also on this background What is the essence of "Karma Yoga" as mentioned by Krishna ?
Ravindranath Kartha Absolutely right KKji, as always you are !! ....... even the most dedicated will, until a certain point of understanding, not be opened to awareness......and Spk ji, karma is again the true reflection of your thoughts.....karma is implementation of the very same thoughts . You think God you are.......... and you are......
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Krishnan Kartha Dear Sreenath, your question contains the key to the answer. You said 'an ordinary man deals with his "thoughful mind" . This is the key. He is pestered by his 'thoughtful mind - a mind full of thoughts; while the Wise man is pampered by his "Mindful thought" ... He is pampered, means he is accorded with natures bounties galore.. The dreams are with others while the 'thing' is with him..
Spk Sudhin If a person returned to his state of being rather than having. Can he use everything he needed just like picking from a show case? If a Master wished in such a state "My shishya will become Enlightened". Can it happen?
Krishnan Kartha Yes. He may have needs but not wants....
Spk Sudhin Gurus do what they can to bring peace to the world. Why that wish is not manifesting..?
Krishnan Kartha This question will fade away as and when you reach the harmony called wisdom.. There cannot be separate wish for prakriti and the enlightened being. Please rememeber the "wish"
Spk Sudhin Okay... Now clear..
Sreenath R I think, that's not their wish... Also if it is happening through them, it will be against the way of nature
Spk Sudhin Similar to Sree Ramakrishna's words " Njan Yanthram Amma Yanthri". Isn't it?
Krishnan Kartha Baiju NT is laid up with cough and cold, it seems.... Not seen.
January 19 at 8:39pm
Sreenath R Not tagged him, so may not have seen
January 19 at 8:40pm ·
Baiju NT I know nothing about THOU; nothing about ME; nothing about ANYTHING... What I all know is I know NOTHING... From this humbling (more often helpless) state of nothingness (ignorance), is it possible for thoughts to get the lift force to transform a person...? Isn't it Truth that does the transformation? If thought can transform, how does it get so powerful? How thoughts and Truth are interconnected?
January 19 at 8:40pm
Spk Sudhin Really missed you Baiju chettan ! you were waiting for mentioning about you ?
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Krishnan Kartha : Vijay's song " Nee Kaatu Naan Maram , enna sonnalum thalaiyaattumehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvV0WyuU0mM
Baiju NT : Your thoughts about me brought me here. You just now learned how powerful thoughts are..
Krishnan Kartha : The bliss experienced by the couple in the song is the bliss of the mindful being, with the only difference that while couple ceases to enjoy when they part with, while the bliss of the enlightened is everlasting... a point of no return. Each and everyone here is rightful of that,,,,
To Baiju NT , In fact most miserable person and most pacific person turn to this right of bliss. Nature makes the life more and more miserable and at one point he refuses to fail and emerges successful. That may be in the form of worldly saturation but soon that will be replaced by the spiritual quest. The peaceful person has an easy walk over , rather.
To Baiju NT , in fact Truth comes to the thoughts through those who have walked in front. They are called Masters...
Sreenath R :Sir nature wish to bring every one to the ultimate end by passing them through different lives, but (I think) vasanas are the driving for agrahas, are agrahas leads to karma... But if this karma is not done with nissanga, again vasanas accumulates, hence the viscious circle goes on
. Then when will it end?
Baiju NT :ചിന്തിക്കുന്നതൊക്കെ യാഥാർത്ഥ്യമാവും എന്നതിനെ കുറിച്ച് ആലൊചിക്കുന്നതിനിടയിൽ, ജയറാം പണ്ട് അഭിനയിച്ച “സ്വപ്നലോകത്തിലെ ബാലഭാസ്ക്കരൻ” എന്ന സിൽമയുടെ പേര് ഓർത്ത് പോയി.
Krishnan Kartha : To Sreenath. You have talked about Vasana, Agraha, Karma etc. What is the seed ? The seed is the feeling that one lacks something. When the feeling of non possession arises, the mind starts to cling on the desire to possess the vishaya or the object of indulgence. The desire projects thoughts and it ends in accomplishment of the object or vishaya. The vasana or the mental formation, will end only when the saturation point is reached on the particular vishaya the object. It is interesting that there will be abundant supply of the said object when one is saturated in it. The virakthi or detachment on the said object follows. Now there is abundant supply and least demand. This results on negative utility. The law of diminishing marginal utility operates now. The problem for the person will be the excess supply and less desire. This is the cause for misery now.Sidhartha was miserable with the royal luxury. He could not help but escape from all those amenities.The vasana will cease to exist only when the negation becomes powerful. This is death of vasana , vaasana kshaya. So slowly one learns that the virakthi, detachment is also as miserable as aasakthi , the desire. He drops both and proceeds further to the state of equanimity. His desire will be backed by non attachment. His detachment will be backed by accommodation. At this state , the actions start to be without chain reactions. They do not form causes and hence no consequences. The cycle is broken here. This is what Gautama Buddha referred to as the "AVIDYA" (IGNORANCE) as the first step in His theory of Dependent Origination (Pratheethya Samuthpaada )
This understanding or Great Learning, sweeps away the difference between the SOONYA VAADA of the Buddha and the MAYAVAADA of Sankaracharya. The aviyda is illusion that I am exisitng as seperate from the externals. This is the same in Vedantha as Maya. . Ron Leifer and Ringu Tulku are scholars who have come near this understanding. Theravada Buddhism sees AVidya as non awareness of 8 things: 4 noble truths and the pre-natal past, the post-mortem future, the past and the future together, and dependent arising .The Mahayana teachings also mislead in this matter as ignorance of noble truths and all. But the Abhidharma Samucchaya DOES state that " What is ignorance (avidya)?" " It is a lack of being aware to one's fullest capacity ". This is what I explained above in the original post. So both Maya and Soonya are one and the same though fools see them as separate.
Hiroko Ueyama Oh Sir, this is Great vision.You blend contrasting theories!!!!
Sreenath R :Sir vasanas can only be eliminated by pocessing the object and experiencing thereby reaching the point of saturation, and upon saturation comes the virakthi. But what should be the mental attitude to be kept while experiencing the vishaya, that is in the time between the point of procession and the point of saturation?
Spk Sudhin sir, Now I know I already possess everything nothing is separate from me (Intellectually) but still I not realized it. How can I reach from intellectual understanding to that realization ? Also on this background What is the essence of "Karma Yoga" as mentioned by Krishna ?
Ravindranath Kartha Absolutely right KKji, as always you are !! ....... even the most dedicated will, until a certain point of understanding, not be opened to awareness......and Spk ji, karma is again the true reflection of your thoughts.....karma is implementation of the very same thoughts . You think God you are.......... and you are......
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