Sathsang on 19 march 2011
Winter School Alumni wrote
"Saturday 19 March 2011, I attended the Sathsang with Krishnan Kartha at Madhuvanam Ashram this evening.
In addition to Madhuvanamites, Adv Ratheesh, Arjun ,Lavanya,and Sreenidhi were there representing alumni of winter school.
The first question was from K G Gayatri. She asked " You have been speaking about contacts. You also mentioned that contacts tell upon spiritual growth.I have learnt that the present contacts continue further to other births.If it is so, I am thinking of orphans. Why have they become without any relationships, is it because they did not have contacts? If yes, I think to have contacts is better.
Krishnan Kartha said:
"I admire your care for orphans. I am coming across such a question for the first time.Nobody has so far asked me anything about orphans.So thanks. Oprhan is not born as an orphan. One mother is there for him/her who establishes a contact. The first contact happens there. Subsequently the orphan is deserted. when this happens,the orphan is going through the experience of rejection.
Now we may doubt whether the child at that time would sense all such things.. yes. Even while in the womb,when there is an attempt to abort its growth, you can see the embryo is running here and there madly to escape the death.I have heard an American clinical psychologist saying that the very discussion between the parents on abortion itself creates insecurity feeling in the child.You can examine the truth behind this by watching such children. They develop a feeling of being unwanted and rejected. Whatever we may provide they may not be satisified.
So let us come back to the baby left alone somewhere by its mother.The feeling must be severe. Mother is he one to care, and here mother abandons the child. ! Now, this is also an experience arising out of a contact. Then somebody may turn up to rescue the child from stray dogs and take it to a shelter home. Again this is a contact or a relationship. At the orphanage, some people will assume the position of its mother and some others its father, varying in their approach to the child. Peers will be there like his siblings. Thus the whole network of contacts or relationship created.
See, being an orphan,one is having relationships.
Secondly your statement about spiritual growth. Relationship never stands in the way of any achievements. The universe is designed in such a way. Only thing is that one will have to closely monitor the relationships.That is all. In this universe, galaxies,constellations and the stars and the planets therein, all are mutually attracted and survives thanks to the attraction. This is the basic rule of universe. Independence is qualitative and not quantitative, you may see. Malayalam Poet Ulloor has said that "PARAN PUMANUM PRAKRITHY SAHAYAN" , means even the Greatest One is seeking help from nature for the creation. He might have borrowed the perspective from the Sankhya darsana, but still I have quoted that for an example. There is co-operation and attraction even at the primeval stage.This is the seed of all relationship in this universe. And that is a truth. One cannot live without dependency whatsoever. For the book "Cutting the ties that bind" by Phyllis Crystal , Sai Baba has written a message which eliminates the fear on relationship, though the book may sometimes make you take each contact with a pinch of salt.
He says, "no one is given absolute freedom in this universe, even stars are interdependent for their existence The freedom lies in independence from externals".
Incidentally my debut Hindi film in 1988 was on the concept of freedom. The theme I wanted to convey was " freedom is just a transition from one bondage to another". The statement has emotional, cultural and political perspectives.
Contacts constitute mind. One can escape this only when he is integrated to the core. So in the initial stages contacts may pose a threat to progress. "
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"Saturday 19 March 2011, I attended the Sathsang with Krishnan Kartha at Madhuvanam Ashram this evening.
In addition to Madhuvanamites, Adv Ratheesh, Arjun ,Lavanya,and Sreenidhi were there representing alumni of winter school.
The first question was from K G Gayatri. She asked " You have been speaking about contacts. You also mentioned that contacts tell upon spiritual growth.I have learnt that the present contacts continue further to other births.If it is so, I am thinking of orphans. Why have they become without any relationships, is it because they did not have contacts? If yes, I think to have contacts is better.
Krishnan Kartha said:
"I admire your care for orphans. I am coming across such a question for the first time.Nobody has so far asked me anything about orphans.So thanks. Oprhan is not born as an orphan. One mother is there for him/her who establishes a contact. The first contact happens there. Subsequently the orphan is deserted. when this happens,the orphan is going through the experience of rejection.
Now we may doubt whether the child at that time would sense all such things.. yes. Even while in the womb,when there is an attempt to abort its growth, you can see the embryo is running here and there madly to escape the death.I have heard an American clinical psychologist saying that the very discussion between the parents on abortion itself creates insecurity feeling in the child.You can examine the truth behind this by watching such children. They develop a feeling of being unwanted and rejected. Whatever we may provide they may not be satisified.
So let us come back to the baby left alone somewhere by its mother.The feeling must be severe. Mother is he one to care, and here mother abandons the child. ! Now, this is also an experience arising out of a contact. Then somebody may turn up to rescue the child from stray dogs and take it to a shelter home. Again this is a contact or a relationship. At the orphanage, some people will assume the position of its mother and some others its father, varying in their approach to the child. Peers will be there like his siblings. Thus the whole network of contacts or relationship created.
See, being an orphan,one is having relationships.
Secondly your statement about spiritual growth. Relationship never stands in the way of any achievements. The universe is designed in such a way. Only thing is that one will have to closely monitor the relationships.That is all. In this universe, galaxies,constellations and the stars and the planets therein, all are mutually attracted and survives thanks to the attraction. This is the basic rule of universe. Independence is qualitative and not quantitative, you may see. Malayalam Poet Ulloor has said that "PARAN PUMANUM PRAKRITHY SAHAYAN" , means even the Greatest One is seeking help from nature for the creation. He might have borrowed the perspective from the Sankhya darsana, but still I have quoted that for an example. There is co-operation and attraction even at the primeval stage.This is the seed of all relationship in this universe. And that is a truth. One cannot live without dependency whatsoever. For the book "Cutting the ties that bind" by Phyllis Crystal , Sai Baba has written a message which eliminates the fear on relationship, though the book may sometimes make you take each contact with a pinch of salt.
He says, "no one is given absolute freedom in this universe, even stars are interdependent for their existence The freedom lies in independence from externals".
Incidentally my debut Hindi film in 1988 was on the concept of freedom. The theme I wanted to convey was " freedom is just a transition from one bondage to another". The statement has emotional, cultural and political perspectives.
Contacts constitute mind. One can escape this only when he is integrated to the core. So in the initial stages contacts may pose a threat to progress. "
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